What Would Your Mother Think?

By now, if you’re alive, you’ve most likely heard about the Kanye West/Taylor Swift incident. For those of you who haven’t – in a nutshell – Mr. West interrupted Ms. Swift’s acceptance speech at the MTV VMA’s on Sunday night – claiming (more or less) that Beyonce should have won – which left Taylor speechless as they cut away to the next portion of the show.

One day later Kanye appeared on the new not-quite-Tonight Show with Jay Leno (I thought Leno retired, all he did was move to a time that I’m actually awake to watch him). Regardless – before coming out to perform Kanye came out for a brief interview to address the situation that happened the night before. Take a couple minutes to watch the following clip. A few thoughts after the jump:

Three things:

(1) We can debate the genuinenessĀ of this exchange, but what I see is one of the most ‘real’ moments on television in recent memory. Kanye feels like a jerk (and rightfully so). Heck, even the President is calling him a jackass (off the record). Kanye realizes – maybe a little too late – that his celebrity status holds him to a higher standard than you and me – that more people are watching – that when he pulls a stunt like this, Wikipedia pages are thwarted and entire social networks implode.

(2) Jay Leno is good. Why? Because he’s not afraid to say what other people are thinking. He doesn’t hesitate to put his guests on the spot. He asks Kanye what he thinks his mother would say if she were still alive and saw him do this. Those of you who have followed Kanye West over the past few years know how close Kanye was to his mother. Is it tasteless to bring her up? I don’t think so. I think it puts things into perspective that Kanye isn’t above everyone (or anyone) – he’s a human being just like you and me – that he’s not invincible and he can’t get away with murder.

(3) This entire situation makes me think about a concept I’ve written about before. This idea that you can be the best at what you do; the best rapper, the best athlete, or the most famous celebrity – you can have the talent – but if you don’t carry yourself in a respectable way, if your attitude isn’t kept in check, what will you be remembered by? Will Kanye be remembered as one of the greatest rappers of our generation, or will he forever be remembered as the guy who left 20,000 fans waiting at Bonnaroo until 2am, the guy who stole a 19 year old girl’s moment to go off on a rant?

WWMD (What Would Mom Do?)

Leno hits the nail on the head and helps put things into perspective. If you’re wondering whether or not you should do something, questioning if your actions are right or wrong, ask yourself, “What Would Mom Do?”

What do you think? Was a lesson learned here? Is Kanye remorseful? Should he be sorry? How should an individuals PR be handled after something like this?


50 Responses
  • Jackie Adkins Reply

    Unfortunately, I did think that his interview last night seemed genuine, but with Kanye, you always remember that it is, in fact, Kanye. If a musician, athlete, corporation, or anybody repeatedly lets down or disrespects their fans in the manner that Kanye does, I think you get to the point where your apologies are almost worthless.

    Then again, I still love his music. So I guess the joke is on me.

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      Jackie, that’s what I’m wondering – when does one reach the point where apologies aren’t enough. Is Kanye actually sorry or is this all part of the stunt? I don’t think any of us can answer that for sure – but I think there is a much more deeply-rooted issue here that draws itself to Kanye’s own insecurities. You can cry wolf all you want, but eventually, people will stop buying into the bullshit. No one is questioning his talent as a musician, but after this, everyone is questioning his integrity as a human being.

      • Jackie Adkins Reply

        This is the same guy that said his only regret in life is that he will never be able to watch himself perform live first hand.

        Kanye has built himself up as one of the most arrogant people out there, whichmakes a scene like the one on Leno all the more fascinating to watch. Still, most people want to be passionate about a brand that they want to be associated with, and when Kanye builds a brand that, as you said, lacks integrity, that’s not something you want to be wearing on a shirt or attaching your name to.

  • Jackie Adkins Reply

    Unfortunately, I did think that his interview last night seemed genuine, but with Kanye, you always remember that it is, in fact, Kanye. If a musician, athlete, corporation, or anybody repeatedly lets down or disrespects their fans in the manner that Kanye does, I think you get to the point where your apologies are almost worthless.

    Then again, I still love his music. So I guess the joke is on me.

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      Jackie, that’s what I’m wondering – when does one reach the point where apologies aren’t enough. Is Kanye actually sorry or is this all part of the stunt? I don’t think any of us can answer that for sure – but I think there is a much more deeply-rooted issue here that draws itself to Kanye’s own insecurities. You can cry wolf all you want, but eventually, people will stop buying into the bullshit. No one is questioning his talent as a musician, but after this, everyone is questioning his integrity as a human being.

      • Jackie Adkins Reply

        This is the same guy that said his only regret in life is that he will never be able to watch himself perform live first hand.

        Kanye has built himself up as one of the most arrogant people out there, whichmakes a scene like the one on Leno all the more fascinating to watch. Still, most people want to be passionate about a brand that they want to be associated with, and when Kanye builds a brand that, as you said, lacks integrity, that’s not something you want to be wearing on a shirt or attaching your name to.

  • Emily Jasper Reply

    I was actually having thoughts about how it reflects on other aspects of “the biz.” We expect musicians who are out of control, but does MTV really want to continue to have an awards show the becomes known for actions of disrespect fueled by open Hennessey bottles? Will venues for future shows put in tighter security measures to combat the crazies from the inside, not just the outside? Will a giant team of lawyers spend their Sunday evening watching for potential libel and slander cases?

    Just like most things, one person can ruin the fun for everyone. Like you mentioned before, do you really want your E! True Hollywood Story have nothing to do with your talent and everything to do with your bad behavior?

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      You bring up an interesting point on two levels: One, with MTV – I have a feeling they are loving this – they won’t let you or I know it, but this incident has everyone talking about the VMA’s (which I didn’t watch by the way – I was too busy watching my Bears get skunked). The second is with Kanye himself. There is no question this incident makes him look like a total ass – but it’s also putting him back into the spotlight – with him it’s one thing after another – these rants and outbursts may end up ruining him image, but it only enhances his celebrity status. The question: Is all PR, for better or worse, good PR?

  • Emily Jasper Reply

    I was actually having thoughts about how it reflects on other aspects of “the biz.” We expect musicians who are out of control, but does MTV really want to continue to have an awards show the becomes known for actions of disrespect fueled by open Hennessey bottles? Will venues for future shows put in tighter security measures to combat the crazies from the inside, not just the outside? Will a giant team of lawyers spend their Sunday evening watching for potential libel and slander cases?

    Just like most things, one person can ruin the fun for everyone. Like you mentioned before, do you really want your E! True Hollywood Story have nothing to do with your talent and everything to do with your bad behavior?

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      You bring up an interesting point on two levels: One, with MTV – I have a feeling they are loving this – they won’t let you or I know it, but this incident has everyone talking about the VMA’s (which I didn’t watch by the way – I was too busy watching my Bears get skunked). The second is with Kanye himself. There is no question this incident makes him look like a total ass – but it’s also putting him back into the spotlight – with him it’s one thing after another – these rants and outbursts may end up ruining him image, but it only enhances his celebrity status. The question: Is all PR, for better or worse, good PR?

  • Benjamin Reply

    Even though there will be people who doubt his sincerity in this video, I believe that he is sincerely sorry. Although I think this incident has been talked about too much already, you have put a new spin on the topic by expanding on Jay Leno’s question. In most instances, it would seem like a low blow to ask Kanye how his mother would feel after seeing his antics because she has passed away. This time, however, it seems like he hasn’t taken that into consideration.

    Something interesting that you left out is the picture of him seen outside the VMAs actually drinking out of the bottle of Hennessy he brought into the show seen here http://twitpic.com/how6k. Could it be that Kanye has a problem with alcohol? I don’t think that he would have jumped up on the stage and stolen the mic stone cold sober. Would his mother have been proud of him getting his photo taken drinking out of an entire bottle of booze? I would guess not. Alcohol is not an excuse for bad behavior but I think it played a large role in Kanye’s latest tirade. He should definitely look into getting some treatment because there is obviously something deeper going on and he is compensating by using alcohol.

    Everyone can say that he is a pompous A-hole, but I see the way Kanye is behaving as sad. His rants and misbehavior has even warranted Obama, the presidential candidate that Kanye overwhelming supported, to call him a “jackass” off the record. I would say that it is very sad when the President of the United States feels the need to take time out of his busy day to call you a jackass. That has to be devastating for Kanye, there is no doubt that he looks up to the President because of what he has been able to accomplish having grown up the same part of Chicago as Barack.

    Doesn’t it seem like we have seen this before? A long downward spiral of a celebrity after they do something that people judge as crossing the line. The question now is whether the backlash will be too much to handle. Celebrities like this have the most fragile of egos and tend to fall apart quickly. Do you anticipate a Britney or Lindsey Lohan-esque fall from grace?

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      I was taken back with Leno asked him what his mom would think – like you said – in a lot of instances that would have shown a complete lack of class and respect. But I think it did wonders in humbling Kanye and making him realize that his position is one of great power – and to throw it away on stupid shit like this is, well, stupid.

      It’s hard to say what is next for Kanye – as he said in the interview, you can see that he is desperate to get away, to get out of the spotlight for a while and do a little soul-searching. He hasn’t slowed down since he came onto the music scene only a few years ago. I saw him in concert before his first album was released – and this was only 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe the nonstop publicity and celebrity lifestyle is getting to him. If he’s smart – he’ll keep his mouth shut and focus on doing what he does best: Making great music.

  • Benjamin Reply

    Even though there will be people who doubt his sincerity in this video, I believe that he is sincerely sorry. Although I think this incident has been talked about too much already, you have put a new spin on the topic by expanding on Jay Leno’s question. In most instances, it would seem like a low blow to ask Kanye how his mother would feel after seeing his antics because she has passed away. This time, however, it seems like he hasn’t taken that into consideration.

    Something interesting that you left out is the picture of him seen outside the VMAs actually drinking out of the bottle of Hennessy he brought into the show seen here http://twitpic.com/how6k. Could it be that Kanye has a problem with alcohol? I don’t think that he would have jumped up on the stage and stolen the mic stone cold sober. Would his mother have been proud of him getting his photo taken drinking out of an entire bottle of booze? I would guess not. Alcohol is not an excuse for bad behavior but I think it played a large role in Kanye’s latest tirade. He should definitely look into getting some treatment because there is obviously something deeper going on and he is compensating by using alcohol.

    Everyone can say that he is a pompous A-hole, but I see the way Kanye is behaving as sad. His rants and misbehavior has even warranted Obama, the presidential candidate that Kanye overwhelming supported, to call him a “jackass” off the record. I would say that it is very sad when the President of the United States feels the need to take time out of his busy day to call you a jackass. That has to be devastating for Kanye, there is no doubt that he looks up to the President because of what he has been able to accomplish having grown up the same part of Chicago as Barack.

    Doesn’t it seem like we have seen this before? A long downward spiral of a celebrity after they do something that people judge as crossing the line. The question now is whether the backlash will be too much to handle. Celebrities like this have the most fragile of egos and tend to fall apart quickly. Do you anticipate a Britney or Lindsey Lohan-esque fall from grace?

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      I was taken back with Leno asked him what his mom would think – like you said – in a lot of instances that would have shown a complete lack of class and respect. But I think it did wonders in humbling Kanye and making him realize that his position is one of great power – and to throw it away on stupid shit like this is, well, stupid.

      It’s hard to say what is next for Kanye – as he said in the interview, you can see that he is desperate to get away, to get out of the spotlight for a while and do a little soul-searching. He hasn’t slowed down since he came onto the music scene only a few years ago. I saw him in concert before his first album was released – and this was only 5 or 6 years ago. Maybe the nonstop publicity and celebrity lifestyle is getting to him. If he’s smart – he’ll keep his mouth shut and focus on doing what he does best: Making great music.

  • Tim Jahn Reply

    I have no sympathy for Kayne in this whole situation, because as history shows, he’s done it before (and will most likely do it again). If he’s sorry for what he’s done, he simply shouldn’t have done it. Case closed.

    Kayne himself reminds me of that amazing line from The Dark Knight: “…They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”

    What Kayne did here is beyond explanation. He claims he only wants to do “good” and that’s all he ever tries to do.

    Bullshit. I never knew his mother but I’m guessing she’d probably slap him.

    Would you blame her?

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      A good slap might do him some good – I tend to side with you Tim. Once an asshole always an asshole, right? I do think he’s “sorry” but I think he’s also inherently cocky and egotistical by nature. Usually, that sort of attitude and behavior is based on personal insecurities – but regardless, sometimes sorry just isn’t good enough.

  • Tim Jahn Reply

    I have no sympathy for Kayne in this whole situation, because as history shows, he’s done it before (and will most likely do it again). If he’s sorry for what he’s done, he simply shouldn’t have done it. Case closed.

    Kayne himself reminds me of that amazing line from The Dark Knight: “…They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”

    What Kayne did here is beyond explanation. He claims he only wants to do “good” and that’s all he ever tries to do.

    Bullshit. I never knew his mother but I’m guessing she’d probably slap him.

    Would you blame her?

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      A good slap might do him some good – I tend to side with you Tim. Once an asshole always an asshole, right? I do think he’s “sorry” but I think he’s also inherently cocky and egotistical by nature. Usually, that sort of attitude and behavior is based on personal insecurities – but regardless, sometimes sorry just isn’t good enough.

  • Jun Loayza Reply

    I think that Kanye did the right thing in stepping up and speaking out for himself on the Leno Show instead of letting his PR team do it for him or hide in silence. I think his apology was genuine for sure.

    Will Kanye eff up again?

    Yea, I definitely think so. I don’t think people change. Kanye is just naturally brash, egotistical, and when he feels he’s been wronged, he’s going to speak up about it.

    I expect to see many more escapades from him.

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      I can almost guarantee that this follow up wasn’t entirely based on Kanye’s wanting to do so – I’m sure his PR team was all but ordering him to get out there and clear his name. That aside, it was a smart move and works to save face a bit. This isn’t the first and I’m sure this will not be the last of these sort of ‘outbursts’.

  • Jun Loayza Reply

    I think that Kanye did the right thing in stepping up and speaking out for himself on the Leno Show instead of letting his PR team do it for him or hide in silence. I think his apology was genuine for sure.

    Will Kanye eff up again?

    Yea, I definitely think so. I don’t think people change. Kanye is just naturally brash, egotistical, and when he feels he’s been wronged, he’s going to speak up about it.

    I expect to see many more escapades from him.

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      I can almost guarantee that this follow up wasn’t entirely based on Kanye’s wanting to do so – I’m sure his PR team was all but ordering him to get out there and clear his name. That aside, it was a smart move and works to save face a bit. This isn’t the first and I’m sure this will not be the last of these sort of ‘outbursts’.

  • Elisa Reply

    I’m pretty sure that Kanye is sorry. Unfortunately I think it is that he is being sorry for two totally opposite and only one good reason.

    The first (and good) reason is that he is replaying over and over again in his head the look on that poor girls face when he was such an jerk. Add to that the woman he was TRYING to suck up to basically said on National TV that he was jerk and became one of the classiest women in entertainment today. Then throw in the musings of Jay Leno, and it sorta makes him sorry to realize that he was, in fact, a giant jerk.

    The seond (not so good) reason is that he has gotten away with this stuff time and time again. I mean, seriously, someone shouts “You lie” during a Presidential address and Beck is organizing marches on DC. Kanye says that a President “hates black people” on National TV and everyone is like “Oh that Kanye.” He is sorry this time because no one is just “passing off” his disrespectful and sensational behavior. He is sorry that for once people are really holding him accountable to his actions. He is sorry that he is being called on the shenanigans he pulled. He is sorry he didn’t get away with it.

  • Elisa Reply

    I’m pretty sure that Kanye is sorry. Unfortunately I think it is that he is being sorry for two totally opposite and only one good reason.

    The first (and good) reason is that he is replaying over and over again in his head the look on that poor girls face when he was such an jerk. Add to that the woman he was TRYING to suck up to basically said on National TV that he was jerk and became one of the classiest women in entertainment today. Then throw in the musings of Jay Leno, and it sorta makes him sorry to realize that he was, in fact, a giant jerk.

    The seond (not so good) reason is that he has gotten away with this stuff time and time again. I mean, seriously, someone shouts “You lie” during a Presidential address and Beck is organizing marches on DC. Kanye says that a President “hates black people” on National TV and everyone is like “Oh that Kanye.” He is sorry this time because no one is just “passing off” his disrespectful and sensational behavior. He is sorry that for once people are really holding him accountable to his actions. He is sorry that he is being called on the shenanigans he pulled. He is sorry he didn’t get away with it.

  • Matt Cheuvront Reply

    Great points Elisa – I’m sure that Beyonce and Kanye have some form of relationship being that Kanye has been working with Jay-Z. I’m interested to know what Jay had to say about the whole thing.

    I agree that up until this point it’s bit somewhat of a slap on the hand for his past antics – this one appears to have everyone up in arms. But I can’t help but think that this too shall pass – that people will forget, they’ll keep buying his music, supporting him, and will rally around him – that is, until he screws up again. It appears to be, in many cases (not just Kanye’s) that this type of behavior-then-apology is a never ending vicious cycle.

  • Matt Cheuvront Reply

    Great points Elisa – I’m sure that Beyonce and Kanye have some form of relationship being that Kanye has been working with Jay-Z. I’m interested to know what Jay had to say about the whole thing.

    I agree that up until this point it’s bit somewhat of a slap on the hand for his past antics – this one appears to have everyone up in arms. But I can’t help but think that this too shall pass – that people will forget, they’ll keep buying his music, supporting him, and will rally around him – that is, until he screws up again. It appears to be, in many cases (not just Kanye’s) that this type of behavior-then-apology is a never ending vicious cycle.

  • Blake Sunshine Reply

    I think this post is great! I blog a lot about Millennials and I think it relates back well to this. Millennials are often times the most educated and talented employees at work, yet we continue to get a bad rep for our attitudes. I think it’s important that we think about what we really want to be remembered by, and focus our attitude toward that. I doubt that Kanye wants to be remembered as anything less than the greater rapper of all time, but you can’t tell that by his attitude and actions.

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      Exactly right Blake – we do get a bad rep due to our ‘over-entitled’-ness. It’s something that everyone, both millennial and non-millennial, have to keep in check. Clearly, Kanye thinks he’s entitled to do pretty much whatever he wants without consequence – with I’ll admit he is given more ‘chances’ due to his status, but stunts like this keep piling up and eventually, people are going to get fed up. Thanks for coming by and sharing some thoughts Blake!

  • Blake Sunshine Reply

    I think this post is great! I blog a lot about Millennials and I think it relates back well to this. Millennials are often times the most educated and talented employees at work, yet we continue to get a bad rep for our attitudes. I think it’s important that we think about what we really want to be remembered by, and focus our attitude toward that. I doubt that Kanye wants to be remembered as anything less than the greater rapper of all time, but you can’t tell that by his attitude and actions.

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      Exactly right Blake – we do get a bad rep due to our ‘over-entitled’-ness. It’s something that everyone, both millennial and non-millennial, have to keep in check. Clearly, Kanye thinks he’s entitled to do pretty much whatever he wants without consequence – with I’ll admit he is given more ‘chances’ due to his status, but stunts like this keep piling up and eventually, people are going to get fed up. Thanks for coming by and sharing some thoughts Blake!

  • Anthony Reply

    I hate it, because I actually love Kanye’s last two albums!

    I thought the apology was highly genuine and BIG of him. Doesn’t make it right, he still was a totally A*S for jumping on stage like that, but I believe him when he said he’s troubled. Obviously being tight with Jay-Z and Beyonce’, he just did not think that through at all. Total back fire, and he knew it immediately. Anyway, I enjoyed the apology, and felt a little bit better about him after that.

  • Anthony Reply

    I hate it, because I actually love Kanye’s last two albums!

    I thought the apology was highly genuine and BIG of him. Doesn’t make it right, he still was a totally A*S for jumping on stage like that, but I believe him when he said he’s troubled. Obviously being tight with Jay-Z and Beyonce’, he just did not think that through at all. Total back fire, and he knew it immediately. Anyway, I enjoyed the apology, and felt a little bit better about him after that.

  • Mehnaz Reply

    Matt, I think you make some very good points. I don’t think it was wrong to bring up his mother during the interview. In fact, he should be thinking about that. Not only is he looking like a complete jackass in front of the world, and fans included, he’s actually being disrespectful to the woman who raised him.

    I think he should keep his sense of entitlement in check in the future. Fans are forgiving as we already know, but I’m already having a hard time respecting him any more despite of the fact that I think his work is top notch.

    Class acts of the evenings would definitely have to be Taylor and Beyonce. Now that is graciousness if I ever saw it!

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      I agree that Taylor and Beyonce handled the situation perfectly. I can tell you that I already have no respect for Kanye as an individual – do I respect his talents? Yes. Do I respect his behavior and actions toward other people (including his fans)? Hell no. He may sell a ton of records, but does that even really matter if everyone thinks your a piece of crap?

  • Mehnaz Reply

    Matt, I think you make some very good points. I don’t think it was wrong to bring up his mother during the interview. In fact, he should be thinking about that. Not only is he looking like a complete jackass in front of the world, and fans included, he’s actually being disrespectful to the woman who raised him.

    I think he should keep his sense of entitlement in check in the future. Fans are forgiving as we already know, but I’m already having a hard time respecting him any more despite of the fact that I think his work is top notch.

    Class acts of the evenings would definitely have to be Taylor and Beyonce. Now that is graciousness if I ever saw it!

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      I agree that Taylor and Beyonce handled the situation perfectly. I can tell you that I already have no respect for Kanye as an individual – do I respect his talents? Yes. Do I respect his behavior and actions toward other people (including his fans)? Hell no. He may sell a ton of records, but does that even really matter if everyone thinks your a piece of crap?

  • Mark Hayes Reply

    Good read again Matt! Fair to say he is musically gifted, but it appears he sacrifices for it personality wise. Although, in fairness, we have all done dumb things when drunk. Thankfully just not in front of such a big audience. After seeing the whole “George Bush hates black people” bit again today though, it just shows that no matter how talented some people can be in certain areas, they can balance that out by being complete idiots too. Nobody’s perfect, but your negatives are just magnified even more when in the public eye, especially if you can’t handle your booze!

  • Mark Hayes Reply

    Good read again Matt! Fair to say he is musically gifted, but it appears he sacrifices for it personality wise. Although, in fairness, we have all done dumb things when drunk. Thankfully just not in front of such a big audience. After seeing the whole “George Bush hates black people” bit again today though, it just shows that no matter how talented some people can be in certain areas, they can balance that out by being complete idiots too. Nobody’s perfect, but your negatives are just magnified even more when in the public eye, especially if you can’t handle your booze!

  • Mandy Reply

    The Huffington Post did this article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-spies/kanye-west-and-cad-compul_b_287125.html regarding Kanye’s propensity towards apologizing after he has behaved like a total jerkwad and it happens–a lot.

    There’s no denying that Kanye is an innovative artist and he has an ear for the beats and catchy hooks but his personal behaviour is just ridiculous. The problem with Kanye is not that he’s an arrogant jackass or that he might secretly be an alcoholic–it’s that he forces his crap all over everyone else. Most other celebrities do it to themselves or when they do do it to others, it tends not to be in a highly public venue (Lindsay Lohan gets the honours for doing it to both herself and in full view of the public frequently) Kanye does it to other people in highly publicized venues and that’s what makes it so outrageous. It’s also why I don’t care how sincere he is afterwards (when he’s sober…?)–it’s because only a world-class jerk would rain on other people’s parade on international television.

    And Kanye’s mother, in my opinion, really has no say in her son’s behaviour anymore, if she were able to comment at all. Kanye is 32 years old and is supposed to be an adult. He’s not 2 years old where she has to apologize for his bratty behaviour.

  • Mandy Reply

    The Huffington Post did this article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amy-spies/kanye-west-and-cad-compul_b_287125.html regarding Kanye’s propensity towards apologizing after he has behaved like a total jerkwad and it happens–a lot.

    There’s no denying that Kanye is an innovative artist and he has an ear for the beats and catchy hooks but his personal behaviour is just ridiculous. The problem with Kanye is not that he’s an arrogant jackass or that he might secretly be an alcoholic–it’s that he forces his crap all over everyone else. Most other celebrities do it to themselves or when they do do it to others, it tends not to be in a highly public venue (Lindsay Lohan gets the honours for doing it to both herself and in full view of the public frequently) Kanye does it to other people in highly publicized venues and that’s what makes it so outrageous. It’s also why I don’t care how sincere he is afterwards (when he’s sober…?)–it’s because only a world-class jerk would rain on other people’s parade on international television.

    And Kanye’s mother, in my opinion, really has no say in her son’s behaviour anymore, if she were able to comment at all. Kanye is 32 years old and is supposed to be an adult. He’s not 2 years old where she has to apologize for his bratty behaviour.

  • Sam Reply

    I agree with Jun, Kanye did the right thing by owning up to his mistake himself, instead of not showing up or sending a publicist like Leno alluded to. His apology, which seemed pretty genuine to me, doesn’t excuse his behavior, but at least he recognizes that what he did was wrong. That’s more than can be said for a lot of other celebrities (and everyday people) out there. I’m with you, Matt. Jay Leno did a great job. He wasn’t afraid to ask the questions on everyone’s mind, and I think bringing Kanye’s mom into the equation really put things in perspective for him. On that subject, I have to disagree with Mandy’s comment above. No matter how old you are, you want to make your parents and other loved ones proud. His mother’s opinion mattered to him and kept him in line. That doesn’t make him a 2 year old, it just makes him someone who had a close relationship with his mom and valued her opinion.

  • Sam Reply

    I agree with Jun, Kanye did the right thing by owning up to his mistake himself, instead of not showing up or sending a publicist like Leno alluded to. His apology, which seemed pretty genuine to me, doesn’t excuse his behavior, but at least he recognizes that what he did was wrong. That’s more than can be said for a lot of other celebrities (and everyday people) out there. I’m with you, Matt. Jay Leno did a great job. He wasn’t afraid to ask the questions on everyone’s mind, and I think bringing Kanye’s mom into the equation really put things in perspective for him. On that subject, I have to disagree with Mandy’s comment above. No matter how old you are, you want to make your parents and other loved ones proud. His mother’s opinion mattered to him and kept him in line. That doesn’t make him a 2 year old, it just makes him someone who had a close relationship with his mom and valued her opinion.

  • @NashvilleBen Reply

    I don’t think it was wrong for Leno to bring up Kanye’s mother. After all, Kanye brought her up first when he blogged right after getting kicked out of the VMAs. I think he said that Taylor’s mother said what his own mother would have said. That to me means it’s then okay to mention his mother because he did first.

  • @NashvilleBen Reply

    I don’t think it was wrong for Leno to bring up Kanye’s mother. After all, Kanye brought her up first when he blogged right after getting kicked out of the VMAs. I think he said that Taylor’s mother said what his own mother would have said. That to me means it’s then okay to mention his mother because he did first.

  • Shane Reply

    Oh, that’s dangerous territory right there! Bringing up mom might have been a good move in this particular situation, but I think this kind of thing is treading on thin ice.

    Many people have deeply ingrained guilt and even fear associated with certain behaviours and certain aspects of themselves, that stem from their parents. This voice inside your head, that keeps you in check, that keeps you “proper” used to be the literal voice of your mother and sometimes your father (traditionally it’s more often the mother). This voice is absorbed into part of your psyche (what Freud refers to as the super-ego – sorry for referring to Freud). As often as this can be a source of rational, positive control, it can also be the very cause of personal problems, of self-abuse, alcoholism, bad behaviour etc.

    I don’t know why I’m sensitive to this (I don’t think it’s a problem I personally have), but when I see “what would mom do?”, I’m thinking of how many people should stop asking themselves this question so often. Same goes for “what would Jesus/any other person you didn’t choose yourself after careful consideration do?”

    Okay, I’m going to stop spamming your comments-sections for a bit, now.

    Cheers,
    Shane

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      You HAD to bring Freud into this didn’t you? ;) – Sorry about the link not working here for the video – I got tired of replacing it every time the copyright crew came through and took it off of Youtube, but I’m assuming you saw it.

      I think in some (most) circumstances it would be out of line to bring up someone’s dead mother – but Jay made a point of saying he had the pleasure of speaking to Kanye’s mother before she passed – before putting him on the spot and saying what would she think of his behavior lately. I think, in this instance, Kanye was someone who needed someone to give him a reality check – shock him back into the “real world” so he can realize that his actions mean a lot, more so than you and me, because all eyes are on him.

      No worries spamming the comments section – I always love when someone breathes new life into an “old” discussion. Keep spamming all you want!

      • Shane Reply

        I usually quote more contemporary psychologists and I am actually catious to bring up Freud because of all the misconception people have about psychology (it’s all Freud’s fault, basically).

        Anyway: I agree that in this case it was well played by Leno. Dear Kanye can definitely use a reference point like WWMD.
        The counter-balance to this is that some of us (who aren’t Kanye), could do with a little more of a stage-storming, microphone-grabbing attitude (hint: I’m one of those people). So my mantra maybe should be “what would Kanye so?” :D

        Unrelated note: It’s very late on my part of the panet.

  • Shane Reply

    Oh, that’s dangerous territory right there! Bringing up mom might have been a good move in this particular situation, but I think this kind of thing is treading on thin ice.

    Many people have deeply ingrained guilt and even fear associated with certain behaviours and certain aspects of themselves, that stem from their parents. This voice inside your head, that keeps you in check, that keeps you “proper” used to be the literal voice of your mother and sometimes your father (traditionally it’s more often the mother). This voice is absorbed into part of your psyche (what Freud refers to as the super-ego – sorry for referring to Freud). As often as this can be a source of rational, positive control, it can also be the very cause of personal problems, of self-abuse, alcoholism, bad behaviour etc.

    I don’t know why I’m sensitive to this (I don’t think it’s a problem I personally have), but when I see “what would mom do?”, I’m thinking of how many people should stop asking themselves this question so often. Same goes for “what would Jesus/any other person you didn’t choose yourself after careful consideration do?”

    Okay, I’m going to stop spamming your comments-sections for a bit, now.

    Cheers,
    Shane

    • Matt Cheuvront Reply

      You HAD to bring Freud into this didn’t you? ;) – Sorry about the link not working here for the video – I got tired of replacing it every time the copyright crew came through and took it off of Youtube, but I’m assuming you saw it.

      I think in some (most) circumstances it would be out of line to bring up someone’s dead mother – but Jay made a point of saying he had the pleasure of speaking to Kanye’s mother before she passed – before putting him on the spot and saying what would she think of his behavior lately. I think, in this instance, Kanye was someone who needed someone to give him a reality check – shock him back into the “real world” so he can realize that his actions mean a lot, more so than you and me, because all eyes are on him.

      No worries spamming the comments section – I always love when someone breathes new life into an “old” discussion. Keep spamming all you want!

      • Shane Reply

        I usually quote more contemporary psychologists and I am actually catious to bring up Freud because of all the misconception people have about psychology (it’s all Freud’s fault, basically).

        Anyway: I agree that in this case it was well played by Leno. Dear Kanye can definitely use a reference point like WWMD.
        The counter-balance to this is that some of us (who aren’t Kanye), could do with a little more of a stage-storming, microphone-grabbing attitude (hint: I’m one of those people). So my mantra maybe should be “what would Kanye so?” :D

        Unrelated note: It’s very late on my part of the panet.

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